Comments on: Misunderstood http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/ Updated information on Veteran Benefits, featured Military Bloggers, the You Served Podcast and various other news and information relevant to Veterans. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:54:04 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: DougS http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-24131 DougS Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:55:59 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-24131 SealPatriot. Please. Take an English class. Have you heard of these things called paragraphs? SealPatriot.

Please. Take an English class. Have you heard of these things called paragraphs?

]]> By: Mike http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-24076 Mike Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:13:07 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-24076 Seal, I only got about 4 or 5 lines into your last post before I went crossed-eyed! :-) Seal,

I only got about 4 or 5 lines into your last post before I went crossed-eyed! :-)

]]> By: SealPatriot http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-23828 SealPatriot Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:27:18 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-23828 -Doug S. Also, the list of fissile material that I had posted was from an Army Major and I did say that prior to the list along with where I had found it which is the blog that I write and moderate on. So, did you read the source I had provided you? I would also question the credability of you world opinion poll due to the fact that 89 percent of the enemies we had captured in the GWOT were in fact possible due to the aid and friendship we receive from the indigenous personnel of the countries we operate in. The largest province in Iraq known as Anbar province sent a letter to Bush saying they pledge more community support to aid in catching Al Qeada and that they dedicate all the terrorists they fight to the 9-11 victims. Also, there is also a poll from the Los Angeles Times that states that support in the Middle East and North Africa is at an all time low, and that it took the average annual recruiting numbers of 47 countries to mount up what these types of organizations would recruit from one country prior to the 9-11-01 attacks. Al Qeada also had an all time low right after 9-11-01, today it is at 1/20th of that according to the military academy's Center For Combating Terrorism. It is also funny how many people continue to claim that Baghdad has gotten worst throughout the yeas after the fall of Hussein's Socialist(Nazi?) Regime when a chart at Index Mundi that recorded the CIA's fact book's annual Iraqi death rates show that there was a decline in the Death rates each and every single year since th start of OIF. Also, Omar from Iraq the model rebuttled the false claims of this cockamamie source called the Lancet;Medical Journal in which he stated that many of the families who told the Lancet they lost a loved one after the fall of Hussein where in fact families of some Insurgent cells, and that the kids of theirs the claimed died didn't die because they didn't have the death certificate to prove it. In fact the Iraqi Health Ministry conducted their own study in which they did have death certificates of families who lost loved ones and they came out with the numbers of 18.5 thousand to 22.8 thousand have died post Hussein and at the most 4.3 thousand of them were civillian Iraqis. This as opposed to the Lancet which said betweeen 8 thousand Iraqis to 622,000 Iraqis had died(this is a useless statistic versus the collective and accurate Iraq Health Ministry statistic). The findings of Iraq's Health Ministry's was very precise and accurate due to the fact that the range of numbers in the statistic were radically close as oppose to the Lancet's broad and probably loaded statistic. The Iraq health Ministry findings are also corelated to the CIA's world factbook Iraqi death rates which state that 5 for every one thousand people die annually in Iraq versus the recorded 10 for every one thousand Iraqis that died annually under Hussein's regime. In fact, for every 5 people that died, only one would be recorded so the death rate prior to Iraq's liberation should be 50 for every one thousand people annually. Plus, I would like to point out the U.N. Human Security Report which states that the only countries with increased violence and conflict are Burma and India. All countries are experiencing 40 percent of the conflict they experienced in the last decade, which means they are down 60 percent. Plus, the violence in Iraq is nothing new to the world and isn't caused by Coalition troops' presence as you say. People all across the world have crime syndicates, insurgent groups, gangs, criminals, and terror cells plotting organized violence to reak havoc in society. For a fact, the violence in Iraq is not only nothing new to humanity(plus historically low in numbers of dead) as a whole in every country, it is also not a nation wide issue. The violence in Iraq is concentrated in the the NorthWestern tip of the Sunni Triangle in which the violence is spread from West to East in Anbar, Danukhbar Al Sunna, and Diyala Provinces west of the Euphrates river in the Euphrates valley. This is where the North West Sunni, North East Kurdish, and Southern Shia border each other and this is where the fighting occurs most of the time because part of the problem in Iraq(I am sure you have no clue of this) is a millenium old iconoclasm(sectarian war, look it up) where these differing perspectives cause political dissent, high crime, and sometimes organized social violence despite having their ancestors share the waterways and trade routes for hundreds of years Before Common Era(or before christ, your choice if you want to be more secular) and the birth of Islam. However, very few muslims adopt or support this type of hatred in the same way they oppose terror, and insurgency against anybody west, east, south or north. Most Muslim in this hemisphere despite people supporting such violent mob-like acts, marry of different religion, sect, or nationality including sharing business, public utilities(schools primarily), and market areas(yes recreational included). Which is why they oppose blowing up anything. Iraqis rebuilt their cities after the massive decline HUssein sent them on with our help. They had worked hard for it. The insurgents are destroying these things the Iraqis have built and Iraq doesn't like it. Also, to the contrary of your statement that comes from poll you presented, Iraqis don't want our troops dying in their streets. They feel the insurgents who killed coalition troops are mobsters and murdering thugs who deserve to be kicked out of the country. They also feel sorry for American military families who have had loved ones die in our service. In fact, as reported in MNF-Iraq.mil's website, the family of a dead Marine who jumped on a grenade saving dozens of people and his unit was welcomed into Anbar province and were told that their son was a martyr in the real sense of the term as oppose to the bastardized form that AQ and Zawahiri with his chrony Bin Laden have adopted. Quiet to the contrary, Iraq is the country that our troops are stationed in with the most voluntary aid to actively pursue terror cells, rogue soldiers, gangs, and insurgent coups. Like I had said more than 80 percent of the enemies we had captured in the Mid East and North Africa have been so with the aid of the locals. It is also proven with the Mid East's desire to speak english even though broken at times, desire to because they like Americans(remember "Bush Good" with a thumbs up). In fact, the minority of muslims support international crime and terror organizations especially with ones that originate using the Muslim doctrine to justify their actions because it burns cultural bridges to establish peace that muslims want to cross with Isrealis and Americans alike. In fact, of all the cities you can call the most dangerous in the world, none of them are muslim cities or in muslim nations. This is supported by the fact that their societies don't need it. The kids(or future of Iraq as I should say it) care more so about taking care of their parents when they get old, the kids also care more about getting an education, and carrying the responsibilities their parents undertook in their villages, or tribes in some cases. This has been the way for hundreds of years in the Bedhouin society plus the fact that they are taught to refrain from violence religiously. In which they of all societies in the world are least permissive of conflict. These are concrete facts, the position you have taken is no different from American ignorance that accompanies human stupidity in general. Saying that most people in the Mid East support attacks on America through polls, politics, or by what you see going on when you turn the news on would be not too far off different from the typical prejudice directed at particular cultures that the U.S.'s citizens subscribe to on a daily basis like; all mexicans cut grass, all blacks are in gangs, whites are predominately racist, and Asians are nerdy. Stupid? Indeed, the undertaking of the false notion that Muslims predominately support violence against other cultures is the most stupid of all. To that, I must respectfully lay down my defensive, for you and I will have to agree to disagree. Best regards. -Doug S.
Also, the list of fissile material that I had posted was from an Army Major and I did say that prior to the list along with where I had found it which is the blog that I write and moderate on. So, did you read the source I had provided you? I would also question the credability of you world opinion poll due to the fact that 89 percent of the enemies we had captured in the GWOT were in fact possible due to the aid and friendship we receive from the indigenous personnel of the countries we operate in. The largest province in Iraq known as Anbar province sent a letter to Bush saying they pledge more community support to aid in catching Al Qeada and that they dedicate all the terrorists they fight to the 9-11 victims. Also, there is also a poll from the Los Angeles Times that states that support in the Middle East and North Africa is at an all time low, and that it took the average annual recruiting numbers of 47 countries to mount up what these types of organizations would recruit from one country prior to the 9-11-01 attacks. Al Qeada also had an all time low right after
9-11-01, today it is at 1/20th of that according to the military academy’s Center For Combating Terrorism. It is also funny how many people continue to claim that Baghdad has gotten worst throughout the yeas after the fall of Hussein’s Socialist(Nazi?) Regime when a chart at Index Mundi that recorded the CIA’s fact book’s annual Iraqi death rates show that there was a decline in the Death rates each and every single year since th start of OIF. Also, Omar from Iraq the model rebuttled the false claims of this cockamamie source called the Lancet;Medical Journal in which he stated that many of the families who told the Lancet they lost a loved one after the fall of Hussein where in fact families of some Insurgent cells, and that the kids of theirs the claimed died didn’t die because they didn’t have the death certificate to prove it. In fact the Iraqi Health Ministry conducted their own study in which they did have death certificates of families who lost loved ones and they came out with the numbers of 18.5 thousand to 22.8 thousand have died post Hussein and at the most 4.3 thousand of them were civillian Iraqis. This as opposed to the Lancet which said betweeen 8 thousand Iraqis to 622,000 Iraqis had died(this is a useless statistic versus the collective and accurate Iraq Health Ministry statistic). The findings of Iraq’s Health Ministry’s was very precise and accurate due to the fact that the range of numbers in the statistic were radically close as oppose to the Lancet’s broad and probably loaded statistic. The Iraq health Ministry findings are also corelated to the CIA’s world factbook Iraqi death rates which state that 5 for every one thousand people die annually in Iraq versus the recorded 10 for every one thousand Iraqis that died annually under Hussein’s regime. In fact, for every 5 people that died, only one would be recorded so the death rate prior to Iraq’s liberation should be 50 for every one thousand people annually. Plus, I would like to point out the U.N. Human Security Report which states that the only countries with increased violence and conflict are Burma and India. All countries are experiencing 40 percent of the conflict they experienced in the last decade, which means they are down 60 percent. Plus, the violence in Iraq is nothing new to the world and isn’t caused by Coalition troops’ presence as you say. People all across the world have crime syndicates, insurgent groups, gangs, criminals, and terror cells plotting organized violence to reak havoc in society. For a fact, the violence in Iraq is not only nothing new to humanity(plus historically low in numbers of dead) as a whole in every country, it is also not a nation wide issue. The violence in Iraq is concentrated in the the NorthWestern tip of the Sunni Triangle in which the violence is spread from West to East in Anbar, Danukhbar Al Sunna, and Diyala Provinces west of the Euphrates river in the Euphrates valley. This is where the North West Sunni, North East Kurdish, and Southern Shia border each other and this is where the fighting occurs most of the time because part of the problem in Iraq(I am sure you have no clue of this) is a millenium old iconoclasm(sectarian war, look it up) where these differing perspectives cause political dissent, high crime, and sometimes organized social violence despite having their ancestors share the waterways and trade routes for hundreds of years Before Common Era(or before christ, your choice if you want to be more secular) and the birth of Islam. However, very few muslims adopt or support this type of hatred in the same way they oppose terror, and insurgency against anybody west, east, south or north. Most Muslim in this hemisphere despite people supporting such violent mob-like acts, marry of different religion, sect, or nationality including sharing business, public utilities(schools primarily), and market areas(yes recreational included). Which is why they oppose blowing up anything. Iraqis rebuilt their cities after the massive decline HUssein sent them on with our help. They had worked hard for it. The insurgents are destroying these things the Iraqis have built and Iraq doesn’t like it. Also, to the contrary of your statement that comes from poll you presented, Iraqis don’t want our troops dying in their streets. They feel the insurgents who killed coalition troops are mobsters and murdering thugs who deserve to be kicked out of the country. They also feel sorry for American military families who have had loved ones die in our service. In fact, as reported in MNF-Iraq.mil’s website, the family of a dead Marine who jumped on a grenade saving dozens of people and his unit was welcomed into Anbar province and were told that their son was a martyr in the real sense of the term as oppose to the bastardized form that AQ and Zawahiri with his chrony Bin Laden have adopted. Quiet to the contrary, Iraq is the country that our troops are stationed in with the most voluntary aid to actively pursue terror cells, rogue soldiers, gangs, and insurgent coups. Like I had said more than 80 percent of the enemies we had captured in the Mid East and North Africa have been so with the aid of the locals. It is also proven with the Mid East’s desire to speak english even though broken at times, desire to because they like Americans(remember “Bush Good” with a thumbs up). In fact, the minority of muslims support international crime and terror organizations especially with ones that originate using the Muslim doctrine to justify their actions because it burns cultural bridges to establish peace that muslims want to cross with Isrealis and Americans alike. In fact, of all the cities you can call the most dangerous in the world, none of them are muslim cities or in muslim nations. This is supported by the fact that their societies don’t need it. The kids(or future of Iraq as I should say it) care more so about taking care of their parents when they get old, the kids also care more about getting an education, and carrying the responsibilities their parents undertook in their villages, or tribes in some cases. This has been the way for hundreds of years in the Bedhouin society plus the fact that they are taught to refrain from violence religiously. In which they of all societies in the world are least permissive of conflict. These are concrete facts, the position you have taken is no different from American ignorance that accompanies human stupidity in general. Saying that most people in the Mid East support attacks on America through polls, politics, or by what you see going on when you turn the news on would be not too far off different from the typical prejudice directed at particular cultures that the U.S.’s citizens subscribe to on a daily basis like; all mexicans cut grass, all blacks are in gangs, whites are predominately racist, and Asians are nerdy. Stupid? Indeed, the undertaking of the false notion that Muslims predominately support violence against other cultures is the most stupid of all. To that, I must respectfully lay down my defensive, for you and I will have to agree to disagree. Best regards.

]]> By: sealpatriot http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-23676 sealpatriot Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:22:01 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-23676 -"Can SealPatriot explain why the administration would keep these amazing discoveries secret, when it would transform their credibility on the war? Of course, he supplies no sources for these claims." Actually, I did leave a quote as to why the administration would leave these discoveries out. You should read my first post, or at least get the attention span to read my entire post. I even provided you a link. Maybe that will help. It looks as though you only read the list I had provided in that post. In fact I had pointed out that the Sarin was in fact degraded so you don't need to tell me. I also wrote my own assessment on the sources I had provided but I guess you don't care enough to make a respectful responce as I had done. I read everything you had wrote and carefully responded to them. Though I guess you were too enthusiastic to trash my post and make it seem as though I was being random or just putting things on the internet for the same cause as you are which is to satisfy my political hungers, right? That would be a good question to ask, but I hope you don't take it as somebody putting words down your throat. If you do, just letting you know it wasn't intended for that. -”Can SealPatriot explain why the administration would keep these amazing discoveries secret, when it would transform their credibility on the war? Of course, he supplies no sources for these claims.”

Actually, I did leave a quote as to why the administration would leave these discoveries out. You should read my first post, or at least get the attention span to read my entire post. I even provided you a link. Maybe that will help. It looks as though you only read the list I had provided in that post. In fact I had pointed out that the Sarin was in fact degraded so you don’t need to tell me. I also wrote my own assessment on the sources I had provided but I guess you don’t care enough to make a respectful responce as I had done. I read everything you had wrote and carefully responded to them. Though I guess you were too enthusiastic to trash my post and make it seem as though I was being random or just putting things on the internet for the same cause as you are which is to satisfy my political hungers, right? That would be a good question to ask, but I hope you don’t take it as somebody putting words down your throat. If you do, just letting you know it wasn’t intended for that.

]]> By: sealpatriot http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-23675 sealpatriot Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:09:26 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-23675 "The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no “collaborative relationship” between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration’s main justifications for the war in Iraq." -Actually, just letting you know that even though I still stand by last posts, the main justification for war with Hussein's government involving AQ operatives was about how there we're AQ operatives in Iraq and that they were being harbored there and as my posts prove they were there and they did work with Ba'ath party members(ie the aiding of Ba'ath members' efforts to sustain an uprising against Hussein's government). Not because we believed they helped AQ launch attacks on the U.S. and their allies as you assume. In fact the administration is the first one to trash and challenge the assertion that Hussein may have aided AQ in 9-11-01. Condi Rice came out in 4 months before the NIE and the vote for the Joint Authorization Resolution for military action against Hussein's government were being conducted to say specifically they stand by the Congress for including the fact that Hussein harbored foreign terrorists in his country in the JAR, but didn't support the claim that Hussein aided AQ in preparation for 9-11-01. As for the degraded Sarin, it can still kill people en masse. Plus the country supported Powell when he came out to the U.N. stating that the WMD he would expect we'd find in Iraq would be Sarin canisters that were degraded. Upon saying that they were still deadly and need to be removed militarily, most people agreed and supported him on it, and he was treated well for saying that by people here in this country. I would also like to stress that just by proving only one of the substances that the Army Major as degraded doesn't bolster your stance much even with the ISG and 9-11 commission saying statements that may support your claims. After all, it may mean nothing if the quotes and samples from their reports you leave on your posts don't reflect the majority of your facts. I wonder if you read any of the links I had provided you? Did you read Rachel Nuewirth's story? “The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no “collaborative relationship” between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration’s main justifications for the war in Iraq.”

-Actually, just letting you know that even though I still stand by last posts, the main justification for war with Hussein’s government involving AQ operatives was about how there we’re AQ operatives in Iraq and that they were being harbored there and as my posts prove they were there and they did work with Ba’ath party members(ie the aiding of Ba’ath members’ efforts to sustain an uprising against Hussein’s government). Not because we believed they helped AQ launch attacks on the U.S. and their allies as you assume. In fact the administration is the first one to trash and challenge the assertion that Hussein may have aided AQ in 9-11-01. Condi Rice came out in 4 months before the NIE and the vote for the Joint Authorization Resolution for military action against Hussein’s government were being conducted to say specifically they stand by the Congress for including the fact that Hussein harbored foreign terrorists in his country in the JAR, but didn’t support the claim that Hussein aided AQ in preparation for 9-11-01. As for the degraded Sarin, it can still kill people en masse. Plus the country supported Powell when he came out to the U.N. stating that the WMD he would expect we’d find in Iraq would be Sarin canisters that were degraded. Upon saying that they were still deadly and need to be removed militarily, most people agreed and supported him on it, and he was treated well for saying that by people here in this country. I would also like to stress that just by proving only one of the substances that the Army Major as degraded doesn’t bolster your stance much even with the ISG and 9-11 commission saying statements that may support your claims. After all, it may mean nothing if the quotes and samples from their reports you leave on your posts don’t reflect the majority of your facts. I wonder if you read any of the links I had provided you? Did you read Rachel Nuewirth’s story?

]]> By: DougS http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-23641 DougS Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:52:51 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-23641 Thank you for the link. I do note a little further down in the article: Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable condition. "This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war." So even the administration points out that the weapons were degraded and unusable, and do not furnish a reason for going to war. Thank you for the link. I do note a little further down in the article:

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable condition.

“This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991,” the official said, adding the munitions “are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war.”

So even the administration points out that the weapons were degraded and unusable, and do not furnish a reason for going to war.

]]> By: CJ http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-23531 CJ Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:41:14 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-23531 Doug, here ya go: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html Must have copied and pasted the wrong link. Doug, here ya go:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

Must have copied and pasted the wrong link.

]]> By: DougS http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-23514 DougS Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:13:44 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-23514 CJ - Your "500 WMDs" link led to an Error 404 page, so I don't know what that was, and I addressed the MiGs in the desert link. As for the enthusiastic SealPatriot, much of what he listed, such as the enriched uranium, had long ago been cataloged and tagged by the UN inspectors. Many of the other items were dual use. Some of it sounds nonsensical, like the buried BW labs. Since the embarrassing weather balloon trailer discovery, the US has never claimed discovery of any such labs (that was one of the Curveball claims). Can SealPatriot explain why the administration would keep these amazing discoveries secret, when it would transform their credibility on the war? Of course, he supplies no sources for these claims. I realize I'm talking to true believers here, but I wonder at your selective suppression of contrary evidence, not of some crank postings on blogs but official reports from the highest levels of government, that have repeatedly stated no active WMD programs, no recently produced WMD, and no large scale concealment of WMD were found. This is the official statement of the US government (who would have every interest in finding the opposite) and the consensus of the inspectors, but it seems that can be easily dismissed by those incapable of changing their minds. As for the fabled AQ connection, let's ignore the Sept 11 commission (with access to all the classified data): As reported by the Washington Post, June 17, 2004: The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq. But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday's hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding. The staff report said that bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq" while in Sudan through 1996, but that "Iraq apparently never responded" to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." CJ – Your “500 WMDs” link led to an Error 404 page, so I don’t know what that was, and I addressed the MiGs in the desert link. As for the enthusiastic SealPatriot, much of what he listed, such as the enriched uranium, had long ago been cataloged and tagged by the UN inspectors. Many of the other items were dual use. Some of it sounds nonsensical, like the buried BW labs. Since the embarrassing weather balloon trailer discovery, the US has never claimed discovery of any such labs (that was one of the Curveball claims). Can SealPatriot explain why the administration would keep these amazing discoveries secret, when it would transform their credibility on the war? Of course, he supplies no sources for these claims.

I realize I’m talking to true believers here, but I wonder at your selective suppression of contrary evidence, not of some crank postings on blogs but official reports from the highest levels of government, that have repeatedly stated no active WMD programs, no recently produced WMD, and no large scale concealment of WMD were found. This is the official statement of the US government (who would have every interest in finding the opposite) and the consensus of the inspectors, but it seems that can be easily dismissed by those incapable of changing their minds.

As for the fabled AQ connection, let’s ignore the Sept 11 commission (with access to all the classified data):

As reported by the Washington Post, June 17, 2004:
The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no “collaborative relationship” between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration’s main justifications for the war in Iraq.

But the report of the commission’s staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday’s hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding.

The staff report said that bin Laden “explored possible cooperation with Iraq” while in Sudan through 1996, but that “Iraq apparently never responded” to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, “but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.”

]]> By: SealPatriot http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-23401 SealPatriot Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:26:15 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-23401 this is one of m earlier statements. -Al Qeada was used by Ba’athists to attack Shia to prevent them from revolting. AQ also attacked Kurds to prevent them from escaping and revealing more Saddam secrets. In case you hadn't known, but Hussein used AQ to attack his own people throughout the late nineties and start of the new millenium. This act was called democide or using violence to kill large numbers of people so that way they don't rebel against you. Terror or warfare were Hussein's top two favorite. He also used members of Hamas, PLF, Fedayeen, Mubarak, Mujahideen, and Ansar Al Islam to help him keep his own people at bay. this is one of m earlier statements.

-Al Qeada was used by Ba’athists to attack Shia to prevent them from revolting. AQ also attacked Kurds to prevent them from escaping and revealing more Saddam secrets.

In case you hadn’t known, but Hussein used AQ to attack his own people throughout the late nineties and start of the new millenium. This act was called democide or using violence to kill large numbers of people so that way they don’t rebel against you. Terror or warfare were Hussein’s top two favorite. He also used members of Hamas, PLF, Fedayeen, Mubarak, Mujahideen, and Ansar Al Islam to help him keep his own people at bay.

]]> By: SealPatriot http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/comment-page-1/#comment-23399 SealPatriot Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:21:45 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/09/06/misunderstood/#comment-23399 Oh Doug, one more thing. The Mustard gas would not be included with the Sarin to be counted as denegraded substances(despite being from the same time period of Ba'ath history. Since it was mixed with chlorine gas(like mixing bleach and ammonia, just as potent) and then it was fitted for the rifle grenades of an underbarrel grenade launcher. These ideas of Hussein and the Ba'athists weren't old, it was in fact one of their most recent attempts at acquiring a clandestine weapons program that was comprised of an unconventional payload. Oh Doug, one more thing. The Mustard gas would not be included with the Sarin to be counted as denegraded substances(despite being from the same time period of Ba’ath history. Since it was mixed with chlorine gas(like mixing bleach and ammonia, just as potent) and then it was fitted for the rifle grenades of an underbarrel grenade launcher. These ideas of Hussein and the Ba’athists weren’t old, it was in fact one of their most recent attempts at acquiring a clandestine weapons program that was comprised of an unconventional payload.

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