Comments on: Heroic Courage: Part II of the Butler’s Bums Story http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/ Updated information on Veteran Benefits, featured Military Bloggers, the You Served Podcast and various other news and information relevant to Veterans. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:50:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: CJ http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-26008 CJ Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:31:52 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-26008 Candace, If you get a chance, please send me an email to cj[at]soldiersperspective[dot]us I'd like to talk to you in person. Candace,

If you get a chance, please send me an email to cj[at]soldiersperspective[dot]us

I’d like to talk to you in person.

]]> By: Candace Butler http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-25943 Candace Butler Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:13:27 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-25943 CJ, Thank you so much for your research and telling your grandfather's story. Thanks to your grandfather, especially, for keeping his journal. Your story, or rather your grandfather's story, is an extraordinary find for me. I am Lt. Robert Butler's oldest child, and am just beginning to delve into my Dad's time and experiences in WWII. He, like so many of his fellow veterans, did not speak much of his war experiences, for understandable reason, and he passed away before we could really talk about them. Thanks again! CJ,

Thank you so much for your research and telling your grandfather’s story. Thanks to your grandfather, especially, for keeping his journal. Your story, or rather your grandfather’s story, is an extraordinary find for me. I am Lt. Robert Butler’s oldest child, and am just beginning to delve into my Dad’s time and experiences in WWII. He, like so many of his fellow veterans, did not speak much of his war experiences, for understandable reason, and he passed away before we could really talk about them.

Thanks again!

]]> By: Grumpy http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-17066 Grumpy Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:17:46 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-17066 Note to Tracy,Subject- Fear or lack there of same. Dr. Jerry White, was at one time the Director of the Gemeni Project for NASA. As we started in our race for space with the Russians, we started with single astronauts, then went to two astronauts per flight in the Gemeni Program. We then went to three in the Apollo program to the Moon. He later taught astrophysics at the Air Force Academy. After he left the Academy, NASA and Government Service, he continued to speak on the subject of space. We were not at the event, but Dr. White described the event. He was there plus a few of the early astronauts including Gus Grissom at one of our "more brilliant tecnical universities". As White describes it, "One of the high quality examples of the school stood up and asked Gus Grissom the following question. 'Mr Grissom, When you are waiting for lift-off, are you afraid?' Grissom responds, 'Let me see if I get this straight, you're asking if I'm afraid? I'm sitting on top of a guided missile and its about to take off. Let me put it this way, Sir, if your not afraid, you don't have an accurate assessment of the situation." We need to be smart enough to be afraid. Grumpy Note to Tracy,Subject- Fear or lack there of same. Dr. Jerry White, was at one time the Director of the Gemeni Project for NASA. As we started in our race for space with the Russians, we started with single astronauts, then went to two astronauts per flight in the Gemeni Program. We then went to three in the Apollo program to the Moon. He later taught astrophysics at the Air Force Academy. After he left the Academy, NASA and Government Service, he continued to speak on the subject of space. We were not at the event, but Dr. White described the event. He was there plus a few of the early astronauts including Gus Grissom at one of our “more brilliant tecnical universities”. As White describes it, “One of the high quality examples of the school stood up and asked Gus Grissom the following question. ‘Mr Grissom, When you are waiting for lift-off, are you afraid?’ Grissom responds, ‘Let me see if I get this straight, you’re asking if I’m afraid? I’m sitting on top of a guided missile and its about to take off. Let me put it this way, Sir, if your not afraid, you don’t have an accurate assessment of the situation.” We need to be smart enough to be afraid.

Grumpy

]]> By: CJ http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-17059 CJ Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:06:17 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-17059 JoyJoy, My grandfather as well was a B-24 crewmember in the beginning. It wasn't until he got to Mendleshem, England that he transferred to a B-17. There weren't many WWII veterans that kept good records of their experiences on these planes. I've become very interested in their lives since my grandfathers passing. JoyJoy,

My grandfather as well was a B-24 crewmember in the beginning. It wasn’t until he got to Mendleshem, England that he transferred to a B-17. There weren’t many WWII veterans that kept good records of their experiences on these planes. I’ve become very interested in their lives since my grandfathers passing.

]]> By: joyjoyfromnj http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-17051 joyjoyfromnj Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:49:51 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-17051 Thanks for sharing these pictures and postings. Since my dad never shared his stories and memories of being a gunner/crew chief in a B-24, this helps me to understand him better. I absolutely agree with your statement that courage is action IN SPITE OF fear. My thanks to you CJ for being honest about that and for your own service to America. Thanks for sharing these pictures and postings. Since my dad never shared his stories and memories of being a gunner/crew chief in a B-24, this helps me to understand him better. I absolutely agree with your statement that courage is action IN SPITE OF fear. My thanks to you CJ for being honest about that and for your own service to America.

]]> By: Tracy http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-17002 Tracy Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:11:08 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-17002 Thank you for sharing your Grandfather with us. I agree with you about the definition of courage. I think the definition that says "without fear" just means someone is stupid LOL Who would face danger and pain without some kind of fear? It's the pushing through that makes someone courageous. I look forward to Part III!! Thank you for sharing your Grandfather with us. I agree with you about the definition of courage. I think the definition that says “without fear” just means someone is stupid LOL Who would face danger and pain without some kind of fear? It’s the pushing through that makes someone courageous.

I look forward to Part III!!

]]> By: Donna http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-17001 Donna Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:10:22 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-17001 CJ, A great post as usual and a great tribute to your grandpa! He was and is very proud of you I'm sure!! I can't wait to read your third post. You should consider writing a book someday, you write so well! :) CJ,
A great post as usual and a great tribute to your grandpa! He was and is very proud of you I’m sure!! I can’t wait to read your third post. You should consider writing a book someday, you write so well! :)

]]> By: Mary K Cox http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-16992 Mary K Cox Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:37:25 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-16992 CJ, Dad was a proud man, and yes...it runs in the family. You did good! Thank you for such a well written tribute to Grandpa. -Aunt Mary CJ, Dad was a proud man, and yes…it runs in the family. You did good! Thank you for such a well written tribute to Grandpa. -Aunt Mary

]]> By: Grumpy http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-16986 Grumpy Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:59:17 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-16986 CJ, Thank you for the honor of learning about a great man. It was really neat, reading what that great man's grandson wrote about him. It must run in the family. - Grumpy CJ, Thank you for the honor of learning about a great man. It was really neat, reading what that great man’s grandson wrote about him. It must run in the family. – Grumpy

]]> By: Kat in GA http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/comment-page-1/#comment-16985 Kat in GA Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:41:29 +0000 http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2007/07/21/heroic-courage-part-ii-of-the-butlers-bums-story/#comment-16985 AWESOME! :) AWESOME! :)

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